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Political: Former Planned Parenthood Head Resigns after seeing Ultrasound of Abortion

http://www.breitbart.tv/planned-parenthood-leader-resigns-after-watching-ultrasound-of-abortion-procedure/
by JackStraw November 2, 2009 7:01 PM

Does anyone else see the delicious irony in the fact that Planned Parenthood clinics are generally in the most economically underprivileged parts of town and most of their clients are minorities?

Kind of like they're performing a public service after all huh?


by The Masked Avenger November 2, 2009 9:44 PM

Sounds like The Masked Avenger is really wearing a white hood...what a d bag!
by get to work November 2, 2009 11:43 PM

Anyone find it odd that conservatives are for smaller goverment and more individual responsibility...until it comes to abortion, then big government is best?....
by SexyShrek

Very weak argument Shrek. Individual responsibility is supposed to allow for a decision to terminate another human life? I don't believe protecting human life (innocent and defensless at that) qualifies as abusive government intervention.

by picard November 3, 2009 12:00 AM

How do you figure conservatives want the government involved in abortion?
We oppose Fed or State funding for abortion and we oppose 5 non elected justices on the Supreme Court discovering a 'right' in the Constitution that nobody else had found for the previous 200 years. Which side supports government intervention again?
by JackStraw November 3, 2009 12:23 AM

SShrek,

"""Anyone find it odd that conservatives are for smaller goverment and more individual responsibility...until it comes to abortion, then big government is best?.... """

I'm sorry there Shrek, but you don't just walk down the street, trip, and fall down and accidentally shove your dork in a girl. Likewise, you don't sit there in the local Starbucks reading Vogue and all of a sudden have your cheeseburger jump up and attack some guys hot dog.

It requires not one, but two stunning lapses of personal responsibility.

And who says abortion could be banned anyway? Strictly speaking, it's a STATE matter, and the Constitution clearly defers that power to the states. Even Antonin Scalia says THAT.

by TheGoblinKing November 3, 2009 12:51 AM

That being said, if you've got a kid...or really have ever even held a baby...I don't know how you could ever CONSIDER advocating for abortion.

14 MILLION BLACK BABIES alone have been aborted since 1973. That's JUST african-american babies.

6 MILLION JEWS died in the Nazi Holocaust. That's men, women, and children.

YOU tell ME how the shirking of personal responsibility (just in one demographic!!!) isn't a big deal.

It's goddamn SICKENING.
by TheGoblinKing November 3, 2009 12:58 AM

Which side supports government intervention again?
by JackStraw November 3, 2009 12:23 AM

Maybe the same ones who went nuts on the Terry Schiavo case?

Just guessing.

Are you serious?

And the definition of marriage isn't in the constitution either. Yet most on your team would like it added as heterosexuals only. LOL

You are funny Jackie
by chiefrunningnumbers November 3, 2009 2:10 AM

That being said, if you've got a kid...or really have ever even held a baby...I don't know how you could ever CONSIDER advocating for abortion.

14 MILLION BLACK BABIES alone have been aborted since 1973. That's JUST african-american babies.

You would want 14 million more blacks in poverty huh. I'm guessing 90% at least are at or below the poverty line. That they couldn't afford to feed themselves let alone a baby is of no consequence to you huh? How many of those black babies would you have adopted?



by chiefrunningnumbers November 3, 2009 2:15 AM

*sigh* I try NEVER to get involved in discussions of these types, but here are my feelings on this FWIW. First, it should be a state issue, as mentioned a couple times. Second, I have a couple friends who have adopted "crack babies" out of the goodness of their hearts and their lives are devoid of any normalcy. These kids are autistic, unhealthy, and mentally and physically challenged. It takes a special person. We all know there are not enough of these selfless individuals to go around. The side of this that infuriates me is that it is not anywhere within the realm of the Federal Goevernment's powers granted in the Constitution to FORCE a woman to endure nine months of pregnancy, and then be financially burdened for the rest of her life. It's just not. Whether you agree with abortion or not, it's not a Federal issue, period. I don't advocate abortion, but I do believe it's an individual issue to be decided. Could I work at planned Parenthood and send teenagers off to have abortions? No. Could I personaly do it? No. Should the right to choose and the right of control over one's own body be mandated by the Federal Government? No. I had a miscarriage once at 7 weeks. Didn't look anything like a baby. My 19 year old daughter is pregnant. When she told me, the thought of her having an abortion crossed my mind, although I did not vocalize it. She's young, irresponsible and a freshman in college. I was terrified for her. She can't even clean her room, yet she's going to be a mother. When it came down to it, I don't think I could have supported that decision had she made it, but I would have understood and allowed her the right to make it. Her father, on the other hand had no problem coming right out and saying, "you're not going to HAVE it, are you?" I watched her heart break. I'll be a grandmother in April (boy) and we will get through it. We are lucky to be doing all right, even in this lousy economy. Some people don't know where their next meal is coming from. Should they add a child to that situation? Probably not. It's a terrible issue, and one that forms millions of people's political views depending on what side of the fence the candidate is on. They can agree with everything else, but that one issue wil push them to vote against all their other values. I don't have the answers, no one does. I hate the topic and rarely address it because it is the singlemost emotional issue out there. My two cents.
by kathy88 November 3, 2009 6:00 AM

How many of those black babies would you have adopted?



by chiefrunningnumbers November 3, 2009 2:15 AM

Since you brought it up. How many have you adopted?
by dead eye November 3, 2009 6:47 AM

So Chiefy is saying it's better to be terminated than to be poor?

Hmmmmmmm.....

Slippery slope but okay, lets start by cleaning out the housing projects right chief?


Didn't that cat Hitler have an issue with ghettos in Germany?


by TennesseeTuxedo November 3, 2009 8:39 AM

CRN,

"""You would want 14 million more blacks in poverty huh."""

Well, I'd want 14 million more black FAMILIES who just by virtue of being FAMILIES would have a much better shot at success. Why don't you consider THAT fact?

Regardless, is death now subservient to social engineering?

Your phone's ringing Chief, it's Margaret Sanger. She wants her schtick back.
by TheGoblinKing November 3, 2009 9:09 AM

CRN,

And you know what? By your reasoning neither me nor my sister should've been born. Yep, we were born into poverty, so screw it, they should've just gotten rid of the both of us.

Both parents never graduated high school. Grew up in rural SC. Never mind that my sister is a manager over a heavy electrical manufacturing plant, or that I was certified by the Federal Govt to run a nuclear reactor by the age of 19, no no no. No success for us because we're poor. Better to kill us in the womb before we 'burden society'.

So 14 MILLION BABIES who could've been doctors or lawyers or engineers end up in the medical waste dump with all the enema bags and rotten tumors, and that doesn't bother you in the least...because YOU think THEY would prefer death to life?

If that's how you really feel, you seriously need to reassess your priorities.

Seriously.
by TheGoblinKing November 3, 2009 9:16 AM

CRN,

Seriously, you don't even have to address the other two posts, I just gotta know: do you have kids?

Please be honest.
by TheGoblinKing November 3, 2009 9:18 AM

Meanwhile - no one notices that there are more "white people" having abortions and more "white people" on welfare and more "old white guys" getting corporate bailouts and corporate welfare and more "white people" cheating the tax system...

Sorry - Just stating the facts which I know can be hard for some of you.
by get to work November 3, 2009 9:25 AM

Thank you for your post Kathy
by InnerChild November 3, 2009 9:41 AM

kathy88,

I respect your opinions and I agree that this is a very difficult issue. Where I believe many of us may disagree is with the "right of control over one's own body" arguement. Reasonable people can, I suppose, disagree over when life begins. It certainly isn't seconds before delivery. And it certainly is well before the 3rd trimester. Babies have their own brain waves, their own movement, their own blood supply, and their own heartbeat at various stages of development. Babies have been, if I'm not mistaken, delivered at 5 months and survived (although it certainly presents huge difficulty). The point being, it is not the mother's body and life we're talking about. She made her decision and made her choices. The baby should have rights as well. And we as a society should have the decency to protect those rights.


by picard November 3, 2009 10:00 AM

Meanwhile - no one notices that there are more "white people" having abortions and more "white people" on welfare and more "old white guys" getting corporate bailouts and corporate welfare and more "white people" cheating the tax system...

Sorry - Just stating the facts which I know can be hard for some of you.
by get to work November 3, 2009 9:25 AM



per capita
by dead eye November 3, 2009 10:09 AM

Chief,

You make a valid point, That would be 11 million more black kids without a Dad owning up to his responsibilities.

get to work, Got any percentages to pack up your claims? Maybe the percentages are the same or greater for white folk. I don't know.
by YATI November 3, 2009 10:11 AM

Don't confuse a dumb shit with facts dead eye.


by vine stone thrower November 3, 2009 10:12 AM

per capita
by dead eye November 3, 2009 10:09 AM

I'm not confused...

You can talk per capita or percentages or you talk real numbers. Just like in the mortgage business an 80% LTV doesn't mean shit if you can't get an appraisal through. I I talk in real dollars. So here I talk in the actual number of abortions, or welfare dollars (either corporate or low income).

So to all the "dumb shits" (yes that is you stone thrower) that think "inner city blacks" are the cause of all the problems - you should open your eyes for a change.

And while we are talking about the dumb shits on this board, let's also point out the fact that tax revenues (federal) that are collected in the northern "blue states" are spent in the southern "red states". Republicans cry out for less taxes and then start spending the federal dollars like it's going out of style. Now that is some personal responsibility.

You've been conned:
http://www.thomhartmann.com/2009/07/21/the-great-tax-con-job/

I am truly interested in hearing some reactions after you've read this article.
by get to work November 3, 2009 11:27 AM

Never mind that my sister is a manager over a heavy electrical manufacturing plant, or that I was certified by the Federal Govt to run a nuclear reactor by the age of 19, no no no. No success for us because we're poor. Better to kill us in the womb before we 'burden society'.
by TheGoblinKing November 3, 2009 9:16 AM


Gee, wasn't Obama born in poverty too? I guess his momma should have dumped him huh Chief?




by doccustodian November 3, 2009 11:34 AM

GTW...

I think you are a bit far afield with your reference to "inner city blacks", etc. I don't know who suggested that they are the "cause of all the problems". Get a grip man. Although there probably are a couple stray goofballs on this site who have racist tendencies, the vast, vast majority here are not. TGK can speak for himself, but my impression of his reference to the high number of abortions in black families was to point out the magnitude of the atrocity. Black so-called leaders in this country have actually gone to the extreme of suggesting that the AIDS virus was planted as a means of wiping out blacks. An outrageous and ridiculous accusation. I guess they don't apply the same twisted logic to abortion. In 2005 about 53% of abortions were white babies while about 36% were black (11% other). Given that blacks account for about 12% of the populace, its clear that black babies are aborted in much greater percentages. It is not a slam on blacks. It is a tragedy...as are all abortions.

I didn't read your article...sorry. My guess is it doesn't relate to this topic. You shouldn't talk about Republicans being spending whores though. No arguement. Republicans and Democrats alike are to blame. Speak in terms of conservatives. The goal is to make sure more and more Republicans actually ARE conservatives in the future.
by picard November 3, 2009 12:00 PM

I am not arguing about per capita. I think I made that clear.

I think you misread what TGK actually wrote. I didn't take it out of context. Anyone that let's that slide is allowing it to exist on this message board. It might not be equally as bad as saying it yourself but it's still wrong (and weak) to let someone get away with it.

My personal point of view is that it should be legal, safe and minimized. Once you face reality and know that it isn't going away then you can effectively confront the issue. Education is one way of doing this and teaching kids through the abstinence only is ineffective.

The other topic...
I agree that both parties are spending whores. It just depends on what they spend it on and what do we get in return. That's the difference. There are very few conservatives in existence though everyone claims to be one. As I said before certain people in this country are more willing to pay the taxes while the other people are more willing to spend the money. That's irony.

Please read that article to see the cause and effect of certain tax policies and who is behind them. You may even learn something.

My number one rule in politics is FOLLOW THE MONEY.

by get to work November 3, 2009 12:21 PM

"As I said before certain people in this country are more willing to pay the taxes..."

You must run in a much different crowd...I haven't met those people. And, there are many more conservatives than you think. That may become more and more obvious over the next few years.

by picard November 3, 2009 12:37 PM

I am positive I run in a different crowd.
by get to work November 3, 2009 12:41 PM

I'm with this get to work guy and I also think we need more abortions in this country rather than fewer.

The more "non producers" we can exterminate the better right get to work guy?


by The Masked Avenger November 3, 2009 12:52 PM

So...the people in the crowd you run in...are they willing to pay more taxes? Because I'm pretty sure they wouldn't even need to wait if they are so inclined. The IRS is perfectly willing to accept added donations. By my experience, the people most in favor of higher taxes are the one's who don't pay them. Oh...and politicians who stand to gain by the acquisition of an increased dependency class and increased voters. Small businessmen and blue collar stiffs...not so much.





by picard November 3, 2009 12:55 PM

Get to work-

Where are you getting your numbers for the big payers in the northern blue and big spender in the red south?


by miramar November 3, 2009 4:35 PM

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2004/09/red_states_feed.html

Here is a list comparing dollars collected (paid) vs dollars received.


by get to work November 3, 2009 4:48 PM

By the authors own ranking of the "states" receiving the most Federal aid.

When did D.C. become a state number one, and number two, my oh my didn't they rake in the Federal dollars huh get to work? AMAZING!

1. D.C. ($6.17)
2. North Dakota ($2.03)
3. New Mexico ($1.89)
4. Mississippi ($1.84)
5. Alaska ($1.82)
6. West Virginia ($1.74)
7. Montana ($1.64)
8. Alabama ($1.61)
9. South Dakota ($1.59)
10. Arkansas ($1.53)
by Tux November 3, 2009 5:42 PM

And who is the one who said taxation without representation...It looks like they are fooling all of us!
by get to work November 3, 2009 6:48 PM

Looks to me the mantra for these days is more along the lines of "Excessive representation without enough taxation" when it comes to D.C. to be sure.



by Tux November 3, 2009 7:53 PM

I wonder where ND would rank if federal highway money was taken out of the equation? There aren't many people in that state, but trucks hauling food and what not have to have something to drive on. I'm sure farm subsidies are a big part of it too. They have about the lowest unemployment in the nation and feed a whole lot of people.
by YATI November 4, 2009 1:02 PM

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